Home Alone?
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I am thinking about getting an african grey, but I am concerned about leaving the grey home alone while I am at work. If I spent a lot of time with the grey in the evening and on weekends would it be enough? I would prefer not to get two birds because I would like it to bond strongly with me and hopefully learn to talk. thanx–Dori
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> I am thinking about getting an african grey, but I am concerned about > leaving the grey home alone while I am at work. If I spent a lot of time > with the grey in the evening and on weekends would it be enough? I would > prefer not to get two birds because I would like it to bond strongly with > me and hopefully learn to talk. > thanx–Dori
This is just the situation I have with my ycm. It seems to work just fine. I leave a small tv on for her during the day, but a radio would probably work just as well. My result has been a strongly bonded bird with a (very!) fiesty personality who is (so far) free of any phobias and/or obsessive behaviors. (Actually, I think she’s a whole lot better adjusted than I am…) Of course, milage may vary, and my bird is not an AG, but I think you’ll be alright.
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Lovebird Incubation???
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Jane, > How long was it between the first clutch and the second one. The first > clutch my > lovebirds laid was infertile too. I am wondering how long before she starts > the second > clutch. > Thanks….. >> Quick Newbie question >> How long should my Lovebirds clutch be incubating. >> Its three weeks now and still just eggs!!! >> TYIA >> RB >21-24 days is what my bird book says. The first clutch my lovebirds >laid was infertile. After about 4 weeks I broke the eggs to see what >was in them, and it just was yolky like a chicken egg. HOWEVER, the >next batch…was good! At least 2 are. I had two hatch on Friday. I >think the third might be a dud. I don’t know whether to take it out or >just leave it in there. What do you guys think? Jane
Probably a month or 6 weeks is my best guess…. Hang in there. My two little chickies are still alive and wiggly. Jane
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I cant be sure. My lovebird chicks came as a quick suprise when we put the nest box in, but get one of the eggs out-hold it up to a candle and if there is a little black dot in the middle it is fertile (has a chick in it). You may have two females, especially if you have over 5 eggs.
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Quick Newbie question How long should my Lovebirds clutch be incubating. Its three weeks now and still just eggs!!! TYIA RB
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Jane, How long was it between the first clutch and the second one. The first clutch my lovebirds laid was infertile too. I am wondering how long before she starts the second clutch. Thanks….. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Quick Newbie question > How long should my Lovebirds clutch be incubating. > Its three weeks now and still just eggs!!! > TYIA > RB >21-24 days is what my bird book says. The first clutch my lovebirds >laid was infertile. After about 4 weeks I broke the eggs to see what >was in them, and it just was yolky like a chicken egg. HOWEVER, the >next batch…was good! At least 2 are. I had two hatch on Friday. I >think the third might be a dud. I don’t know whether to take it out or >just leave it in there. What do you guys think? Jane
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says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Quick Newbie question > How long should my Lovebirds clutch be incubating. > Its three weeks now and still just eggs!!! > TYIA > RB >21-24 days is what my bird book says. The first clutch my lovebirds >laid was infertile. After about 4 weeks I broke the eggs to see what >was in them, and it just was yolky like a chicken egg. HOWEVER, the >next batch…was good! At least 2 are. I had two hatch on Friday. I >think the third might be a dud. I don’t know whether to take it out or >just leave it in there. What do you guys think? Jane
You can test the eggs and watch the progress without cracking a shell if you use an egg candler. I used to have one for chicken and duck eggs when I was kid. It was a metal tube on a handle with an ordinary light bulb inside, and a hole at one end, slightly smaller than an egg, that had been lined with a rubber gasket. Holding the egg up to the light, I could see inside. Someone probably makes them for parrot eggs. If not, it would be easy to make one. As I recall, fertile eggs have a small dark spot on one side of the yolk. It sure was exciting to watch the embryo grow! I still remember the first time I heard chicks still inside their shell, peeping.
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> Quick Newbie question > How long should my Lovebirds clutch be incubating. > Its three weeks now and still just eggs!!! > TYIA > RB
21-24 days is what my bird book says. The first clutch my lovebirds laid was infertile. After about 4 weeks I broke the eggs to see what was in them, and it just was yolky like a chicken egg. HOWEVER, the next batch…was good! At least 2 are. I had two hatch on Friday. I think the third might be a dud. I don’t know whether to take it out or just leave it in there. What do you guys think? Jane
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Microchip Awareness Campaign – I'm not selling anything
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Hello All, In case anyone is interested, I have just recently started doing research on microchipping pets – not just birds. I just had my Congo African Grey and Umbrella Cockatoo microchipped a couple of months ago. I am putting the findings of my research on my website. If anyone is interested, drop by and look around. I just put that page up not to long ago. The purpose of this web page is to educate people (while educating myself) about microchipping and to inform people who have microchipped pets about the current registration system. It is a not-for-profit endeavor. I am not selling microchips or promoting any particular brand or registration service. I am simply a concerned animal lover. If you have had a pet returned to you because of a microchip implant? I would love to hear all about it. Plans are in the works to add links to the microchip manufacturers (I understand there are two major manufacturers). One is A.V.I.D. (American Veterinary Identification Devices, Inc.) if anyone knows of other, please let me know. Thank you for your time, Taylor http://www.spiritone.com/~taylork/index.html
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>The purpose of this web page is to educate people (while educating myself) >about microchipping and to inform people who have microchipped pets about >the current registration system. It is a not-for-profit endeavor. I am not >selling microchips or promoting any particular brand or registration >service. I am simply a concerned animal lover. >If you have had a pet returned to you because of a microchip implant? I >would love to hear all about it. Plans are in the works to add links to >the microchip manufacturers (I understand there are two major >manufacturers). One is A.V.I.D. (American Veterinary Identification >Devices, Inc.) if anyone knows of other, please let me know.
I am happy to see AVID has done something about the misleading statements on this thread by MLS concerning the microchipping of birds. They also have a website http:www.avidid.com that will give accurate research, information regarding the microchip Thanks for caring Taylor Cherane Pefley, CAS (Certified Avian Specialist)
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>Hello All, >In case anyone is interested, I have just recently started doing research >on microchipping pets – not just birds. >The purpose of this web page is to educate people (while educating myself) >about microchipping and to inform people who have microchipped pets about >the current registration system. It is a not-for-profit endeavor. I am not >selling microchips or promoting any particular brand or registration >service. I am simply a concerned animal lover.
I was at my vet’s office when everybody went scrambling because 2 birds were going into seisures immediately after being "chipped" >If you have had a pet returned to you because of a microchip implant? I >would love to hear all about it. Plans are in the works to add links to >the microchip manufacturers (I understand there are two major >manufacturers). One is A.V.I.D. (American Veterinary Identification >Devices, Inc.) if anyone knows of other, please let me know.
I have had my vet call me with legband numbers to track down the owner…you can at least see that! How many thieves will volentarily take "your" bird to the vet to prove he stole it? >Thank you for your time, >Taylor >http://www.spiritone.com/~taylork/index.html
GOD BLESS YOU! 
Bambi 
. — Fox’s Feather Farm Hand-raised baby parrots! Owners – Mark & Bambi Fox Over 40 different Species. Lay-away, Payments, Credit Cards accepted!
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new lovebird owner has questions!
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It sounds like you are doing the right things! The lovebird list would have been a great idea, but it seems to have disappeared. I tried to join, and there is no response. Others on exotic-l have commented on it also.
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E Ackland) writes: >I have just aquired a pair of lovebirds that are 10 weeks old. They were
hand raised. I have never had birds before. I would like to know how to stop one from biting. Right now when she does, I make a loud "no" sound and mostly she stops. She is quite aggressive<< I recommend you get a book called "My Parrot, My Friend". It has lots of useful methods for taming hookbills. However, although I have never owned lovebirds, it is my understanding that when purchased as a pair, they will tend to bond to each other rather than to a human being. This is what you may be facing. Lovebird experts might be able to tell you how to tame a pair of them. -Philip J. Blanda III PGP Public key available
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>I have just aquired a pair of lovebirds that are 10 weeks old. They were >hand raised. I have never had birds before. I would like to know how to >stop one from biting. Right now when she does, I make a loud "no" sound >and mostly she stops. She is quite aggressive. The other one is a little >more timid and doesn’t jump onto my finger like the female. How do I >teach him this. He will come to me when she does but not on his own. If >you have any suggestions I would appreciate it. > Janet
Janet: There’s a Lovebird List which you might consider joining. I’m sure you can get lots of great information from many of the list members. The folks on this list are lovebird hobbyists. Their address is: The command is: subscribe lovebirds [fill in your e-mail address here] [fill in your name here - surname first, followed by given name] Good luck with your new babies! Linda (who just got Sidney, a beautiful Peach-Face Lovebird)
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I have just aquired a pair of lovebirds that are 10 weeks old. They were hand raised. I have never had birds before. I would like to know how to stop one from biting. Right now when she does, I make a loud "no" sound and mostly she stops. She is quite aggressive. The other one is a little more timid and doesn’t jump onto my finger like the female. How do I teach him this. He will come to me when she does but not on his own. If you have any suggestions I would appreciate it. Janet xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxxox There comes a point in time when we must find amid the stupefaction, a vehicle, a means by which we can direct our future paths xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxxooxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo
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Need incubation Temp for Cockatiel eggs
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Please. Our hen and cock have stopped sitting on the eggs (they are not bad) and we can’t find any reference to temps needed. Thanks, Jere.. Please email me.
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Hello, most avian eggs need to be incubated at 99.5 degrees F. Hope you have good luck!!! Janis – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Please. Our hen and cock have stopped sitting on the eggs (they are not bad) >and we can’t find any reference to temps needed.
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I have a Hova- Bator incubater which I have used for 8 years –no probs —-the temp on this unit requires 991/2f degree’s —-for all eggs —-this is printed right on the unit —–Jere how long have these eggs been laid ??? have you checked to see if they are fertile ????-do you have a reason that they .>Please. Our hen and cock have stopped sitting on the eggs (they are not bad) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->and we can’t find any reference to temps needed.
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Hemp or Marajuana Seeds? I don't get it …
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>Not true, the plants will grow, but……snip.
The seed is supposed to be heat treated, in Cal, as to prevent germination. The small percentage that may (?) sprout are definatly not worth a ‘cultivation ‘ felony. The mill I deal with says most of the hempseed comes from Canadian farms. And all the products that contain the seed are supposed to state their origin (granery / mill) on the pkg. and the business of origin is to have a permit for same posted or on file.
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The mill I have dealt with says that state laws require the hempseed to be heated to x# degrees to ’sterilize’ it, so as to be unsproutable. Hemp is a great food for birds, as with any food in moderation. DonH
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I recently observed Gomez (Senegal) picking through his and the > others’ >seed bowls with what seemed "a mission." >He went through everybody’s bowl and was picking out these funny > little >round seeds that to me looked sort of olive green-brownish in color. >I asked a birdshop tender what they were and she said "hemp." Then > she >proceeded to tell me that "pot" seeds can kill a bird. I imagine it’s >the THC in marajuana that’s deadly. >I found a different bird shop that sold "hemp" seeds and bought a > small >amount for Gomez (as a special treat once in a while). >Now, what the heck is the difference between a "pot" seed and a "hemp" >seed and how can one tell the difference. >I thought, "if these could be pot seeds, they could kill my bird, I >guess I’ll just have to trust the shop owner." >I DON"T like that. >Thanks alot! >Gloria` >– >The Fifth Day Was The Happiest Day. > Gloria, > All hemp seeds that you buy in stores or through the mail have the THC > removed. I once ordered some through the Ohio Hempery to make hemp > butter, but upon tasting it, I wasn’t too impressed. So, in other > words, if you plant those seeds in your yard you’re not going to get a > plant! > Lisa
Not true, the plants will grow, but industrial hemp has a VERY low amount of the active ingredient in marijuana (THC). It is illegal to grow hemp in most states, as well. If you decide to plant it, make sure it’s legal too.
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RE: > I recently observed Gomez (Senegal) picking through his and the others’ > seed bowls with what seemed "a mission." > > He went through everybody’s bowl and was picking out these funny little > round seeds that to me looked sort of olive green-brownish in color. > > I asked a birdshop tender what they were and she said "hemp." Then she > proceeded to tell me that "pot" seeds can kill a bird. I imagine it’s > the THC in marajuana that’s deadly. > > I found a different bird shop that sold "hemp" seeds and bought a small > amount for Gomez (as a special treat once in a while). > > Now, what the heck is the difference between a "pot" seed and a "hemp" > seed and how can one tell the difference. > > I thought, "if these could be pot seeds, they could kill my bird, I > guess I’ll just have to trust the shop owner." > > I DON"T like that. You birdshop friend is a bit off base. Yes, hemp IS the same plant (originally) as MJ. However, the narcotically enhanced leaves and stems of "hemp" grown for human consumption (legally or otherwise) are of a different strength and hence, level of danger. Just like hybrid corn is different from the original teocinte or wild corn, though still the same species. Hemp seeds for birds have also been sterilized (with radiation, I believe)so that no birds accidentally become "farmers". The seeds are rather high in fat, so on a nutritional level, they are no better than sunflower or safflower seeds. They do have one quality which breeders may find useful– feeding hemp seeds to cockatiels, lovebirds, and presumeably other parrots induces a profound need to "bond" (i.e. hump like crazy). If your birdies aren’t getting the clue about why you put that expensive nestbox and breeding cage together for them, then hemp seed might be just what they need….. Now just wait– I’m sure I’m going to get flamed for corrupting the morals of the young and all, but I bet there will be a run on hemp seed at the local birdstore. As far as I know (haven’t tried it personally) the seeds do not have the same effect on humans. AAP
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>All hemp seeds that you buy in stores or through the mail have the THC >removed.
Not exactly. There is virtually no THC in hemp (cannabis) seed naturally, anyway. The reason hemp seeds from a commercial seed mix do not sprout is that they are sterilized (as poppy seeds are). Since the Marijuana Act of 1937, all commercially grown hemp seed must be sterilized before distribution as food. Since cannabis grows wild throughout the Americas, it is a food source for many wild birds and animals as well as Native Americans. Thomas Jefferson, among other farmers on their plantations, grew hemp to be used for rope, paper, and cloth, and its production (along with tobacco) helped finance the American Revolution. There is no difference between a commercial hemp seed or pot seed other than what variety of cannabis plant they have been hybridized to produce. Commercially grown hemp is a high yield source for bird seed, oil, and fiber. It is not a highly potent plant in terms of THC and thus a poor choice for smoking if so inclined Organically grown hemp/cannabis seed is not poisonous to birds. As long as the seed has been cleaned (removed from the bud) and washed, it will not intoxicate a bird (or human for that matter) to eat the seed raw or cooked. As with many seeds, they are rich in essential oils, vitamins and fiber and are a healthy food source for birds or humans. RRemington Johnson: Well, we had a good talk. Boswell: Yes, Sir; you tossed and gored several persons.
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Gloria, The difference between pot and hemp is what it’s bred for. Hemp is a perfectly respectable crop that is raised in many countries for fiber, pulp, oil, and animal feeds; pot is bred and raised for a high THC content, for the drug trade. It is unlikely that you could get even marginally "high" on fiber hemp, and sterilized hemp seed (can’t have such a useful plant coming up all over, now, can we?) is a common constituent of many seed mixes. Your bird probably likes it for the high oil content. Fritz – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I asked a birdshop tender what they were and she said "hemp." Then she >proceeded to tell me that "pot" seeds can kill a bird. I imagine it’s >the THC in marajuana that’s deadly. >Now, what the heck is the difference between a "pot" seed and a "hemp" >seed and how can one tell the difference. >I thought, "if these could be pot seeds, they could kill my bird, I >guess I’ll just have to trust the shop owner." >I DON"T like that. >Thanks alot! >Gloria` >– >The Fifth Day Was The Happiest Day.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I recently observed Gomez (Senegal) picking through his and the others’ >seed bowls with what seemed "a mission." >He went through everybody’s bowl and was picking out these funny little >round seeds that to me looked sort of olive green-brownish in color. >I asked a birdshop tender what they were and she said "hemp." Then she >proceeded to tell me that "pot" seeds can kill a bird. I imagine it’s >the THC in marajuana that’s deadly. >I found a different bird shop that sold "hemp" seeds and bought a small >amount for Gomez (as a special treat once in a while). >Now, what the heck is the difference between a "pot" seed and a "hemp" >seed and how can one tell the difference. >I thought, "if these could be pot seeds, they could kill my bird, I >guess I’ll just have to trust the shop owner." >I DON"T like that. >Thanks alot! >Gloria` >– >The Fifth Day Was The Happiest Day.
Gloria, All hemp seeds that you buy in stores or through the mail have the THC removed. I once ordered some through the Ohio Hempery to make hemp butter, but upon tasting it, I wasn’t too impressed. So, in other words, if you plant those seeds in your yard you’re not going to get a plant! Lisa
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I recently observed Gomez (Senegal) picking through his and the others’ seed bowls with what seemed "a mission." He went through everybody’s bowl and was picking out these funny little round seeds that to me looked sort of olive green-brownish in color. I asked a birdshop tender what they were and she said "hemp." Then she proceeded to tell me that "pot" seeds can kill a bird. I imagine it’s the THC in marajuana that’s deadly. I found a different bird shop that sold "hemp" seeds and bought a small amount for Gomez (as a special treat once in a while). Now, what the heck is the difference between a "pot" seed and a "hemp" seed and how can one tell the difference. I thought, "if these could be pot seeds, they could kill my bird, I guess I’ll just have to trust the shop owner." I DON"T like that. Thanks alot! Gloria` — The Fifth Day Was The Happiest Day.
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Question: Finding Home for 2 Love Birds
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Sorry Stephanie, but you haven’t convinced me of anything. I do however; see that you have put quite a bit of thought into the subject and that you really believe in it. Everyone needs something to believe in so I believe I’ll have another glass of wine. TTFN Shar
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> Stephanie, > Shelters charge adoption fees > Private parties "sell"
When the "price" is dramatically below retail value, IMO, it’s not exactly selling. Also, it’s not the money that’s important, or that there is money exchanged, but that another precaution has been taken to ensure the bird has a good and lasting home. See below … > Why care about someone else getting money for their birds? If they want > to give something away let’em give it away. If they need some money > they will "sell" it. Not everyone is greedy, some care more for their > bird than for money.
Charging a small fee for a bird isn’t for the human, it’s for the bird. IMO, unless the giver knows the taker well, it’s foolish to give any animal to anyone. Too many people make rash decisions about birds, particularly about smaller, less expensive birds (as opposed to large parrots). Why not try the bird, it’s free, right? And, if the bird doesn’t work out, then who cares, it was free? If the investment of the human is initially token, there is less incentive for a human to work with the bird, and to try and work through any problems, rather than simply taking out a "Free bird" ad in the local paper. With dogs, cats, rabbits, etc., in some areas, a "free pet for adoption to a loving home" pet gets sole to a research facility. I’ve never heard about that happening with birds, but I frequently discourage people from giving away their cats and dogs. A $10 "adoption fee" (or "price") deters those who would do this. Many, hopefully most, people aren’t like this. And yes, there _are_ many other ways to ensure the bird is going to a good home. But, IMO, why not add another? Anyone who can’t pay a nominal, far below retail amount for a bird certainly can’t afford vet care, should the bird need it, good toys, food, etc. It doesn’t mean that the person who can’t afford these things doesn’t care about their birds on a surface level, but yes, I freely admit to being something of an elitist, in that I believe very strongly that people who can’t, on the whole, provide for and take care of their pets shouldn’t be keeping those pets. Sometimes, and sometimes when people least expect it, providing for and taking care of a bird can be _very_ expensive. Also, I think a nominal fee/price plays into _this_ bird versus _a_ bird. When I send a bird home with someone, whether it be a rescue or one I’ve bred, I try to send it home with someone who _wants this particular bird_ as opposed to wanting a bird of that species, or size. There are folks, and I’ve met *plenty* of them, who take the attitude of "Ok, we’re going to get a budgie. Let’s get the cheapest one we can find" rather than going out and meeting/seeing several birds, and choosing one based on the bird itself, the breeder/seller & their facility, etc. This isn’t such a danger with the larger birds, but many non-bird folks who realize that large parrots do have distinct personalities see budgies, lovebirds, and tiels as akin to fish, without personality and distinguishing behavioral traits. But, I’m preaching to the choir! _I_ know that, _you_ know that (the above). :-) To me, there is nothing sadder than a bird on its 5th home in its 2nd year of life … etc. Anything I can do to prevent that from happening to a bird I breed, or a rescue I can’t keep, I will do. > Please don’t consider this a flame attempt. for some reason this issue > just really irritated me and I had to say something. I just disagree > with you on this. I have my opinion, you have yours. I am not right and > you are not wrong we are both just here with our opinions. I could > ramble on some more but I’ll save you all the trouble of having to read > it.
Disagreement is cool — Though I suspect you disagree because you’re considering the monetary aspect as being about the money, not about the welfare of the birds. Any of this change your mind, even a little? :-) Happy birding, Stephanie — These are my opinions —
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>> Does anyone have suggestions on how to find a good home for 2 free, healthy > Love Birds which I cannot keep? > I live in the Los Angeles area.
I might be interested if you can throw in the cage also. I already upgraded by cage for my parakeet which I take care of very well and am willing to adopt your lovebirds. My wife will go nuts if I spend anymore money on birds so if you are willing to part with them let me know. I live in the Torrance area so you are local! No Spam alias in use! To reply, Jim, I think he’s dead! You take his weapon, I’ll take his wallet!
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Stephanie, Shelters charge adoption fees Private parties "sell" Why care about someone else getting money for their birds? If they want to give something away let’em give it away. If they need some money they will "sell" it. Not everyone is greedy, some care more for their bird than for money. Please don’t consider this a flame attempt. for some reason this issue just really irritated me and I had to say something. I just disagree with you on this. I have my opinion, you have yours. I am not right and you are not wrong we are both just here with our opinions. I could ramble on some more but I’ll save you all the trouble of having to read it. Shar
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Does anyone have suggestions on how to find a good home for 2 free, healthy Love Birds which I cannot keep? I live in the Los Angeles area.
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> Does anyone have suggestions on how to find a good home for 2 free, healthy > Love Birds which I cannot keep? > I live in the Los Angeles area.
At the very least: 1) Charge a small adoption fee (25-30 dollars for the both, thereabouts) 2) Do everything you can to determine that whoever you’re thinking about adopting them out to either knows about birds or is willing to learn about birds 3) Have the people come to meet the birds, but actually pick them up 5+ days later (no whimsical decisions) 4) Make sure they have a cage(s), or take your cage(s), and several days of whatever you’ve been feeding Beyond that, use your judgement, and don’t be afraid to say "No, you can’t have my birds!" Hope this helps, Stephanie — These are my opinions —
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conure help
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we just got a Blue Crown Conure. He has not been hand raise or hand fed. He’s already drawn blood. We have a cockatoo that is very freindly. Would like thanks
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> we just got a Blue Crown Conure. He has not been hand raise or hand fed. He’s > already drawn blood. We have a cockatoo that is very freindly. Would like > thanks
Patience. Then more patience. BCCs are attention sponges. If you give the bird a lot in a very gentle, very approving manner, the conure will eventually come around. These are one-person birds. Try to find out who in your household the bird least objects to and let that person do everything for the bird: feed, clean, attention give. First, if s/he’s flighted, clip the wings! Since these conures are very social, you should be getting the bird up on a stick or finger (without blood) within a week. More gentle coaching with favorite rewards (I use simple approval and scritches with Petey), and the bird will gradually trust you more and let you get away with more and more. When we got Petey, he was very friendly but very nippy. Now, seven months later, he rarely nips at all and allows me to do most anything I want to with his person. Once you have your bird finger tame, whenever s/he bites, loudly say "No Bite!" while dropping your hand. It doesn’t take too much of this to get the idea across to the bird. Be gentle with this and keep your training sessions to 10 or fewer minutes a few times a day. Find out the things your bird really likes and use them as rewards. Petey especially likes sitting on my shoulder. He gets to do this only when he’s good which is most of the time. THIS CAN BE HAZARDOUS TO YOUR FACE BUT IT WORKED FOR US — I found early on with Petey that I’d have to establish real trust with him. So I placed him virtually mouth to beak as I’d take a liberty with his body, such as lifting and spreading a wing or some other then-strange thing. He caught on to this very quickly and has never bitten at all during one of these sessions. Instead he’d merely complain and back away when it got to be too much for him. Respect your bird when s/he does this and don’t force the bird beyond what it’s willing to go with. We’ve found that Petey is very territorial and pecking-order cognizant. While I and virtually anyone else can play with him, my wife cannot. Her he’ll attack every time EXCEPT when I’m not around. Then she can handle him but he’s still not particularly affectionate to her. We live with this sort of thing. We have two male cockatiels who behave the same way: one likes me, the other likes her. The one who doesn’t like me will attack me, dive bomb me and otherwise try to drive me out of our nest! If you go to Petey’s Page at http://www.west.net/~grinder/petey.html you’ll learn more about him and BCCs in general. There are quite a few links on that page to other sites with excellent information. Hope this helps! — Roger Petey, BCC B.B. & Velcro, ‘Tiels http://www.west.net/~grinder/petey.html
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Gouldian prices?
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My pet male Lady Gouldian finch died yesterday and I would like to replace him so his mate won’t be alone. He apparently died from a toe infection, but the hen seems perfectly fine. I did not intervene because this happens occationally to my canaries and they always recover on their own after the toe dies and falls off, but perhaps Gouldians are more delicate. Anyway, I phoned a bird wholesaler near me this morning and he has red-headed males available for $75 each. They are not banded and he cannot guarentee the age, but he said they were from a local breeder and probably young birds. So, is this a good price and a safe risk? If not, are there any breeders in the San Francisco area that have any young males for sale? Ginger Wolnik Sunnyvale, CA USA
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Here in the northeast, everything is more money it seems. I paid $100.00 per Gouldian, with the exception of the last one as it was an older bird and had lost its mate and the breeder gave it to me for $20.00. Cricket
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Your poor male Gouldian finch! Yes, they can be very delicate birds – strong and sturdy most of the time, but they can drop quite unexpectedly from things that other birds would shrug off. I lost a hen earlier this year to something that should have been "nothing". Anyway… Ginger, I see you on the canary list (I’m "Barry Canary"’s aunt) – are you coming down for our Southern California canary show this weekend? If so, I know a very good breeder in Norco (Riverside county) who offers lovely red-headed Goulds for $50, and I can put you in touch with her. Robin
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I would trade my male gouldian I won at a bird fair for a good singing canary if anybody lives in north fla. I feel like he is lonely, and if someone has a female that needs a male I wouldnt mind giving him up to a good home. Anyway, he’s a very cool bird. janice The first thing to go is your short term memory. The second thing to go is your short term memory.
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lutino sun conure
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>BTW, I’m >sorry you lost Barney andTaffy so young … how devastating for you …
Thank you. I got very lucky, Fred had been vaccinated. Barney was actually hand raised but the breeders didn’t know very much as he was the one who gave Taffy polyoma. I don’t know how many other budgies they lost to it. Barney was such a sweet little guy. >I’m glad you had the opportunity to own Charlie, even >though he came to you at an advanced age.
When I think about what Charlie had to go through it makes me angry. It could have all been prevented had his 1st owners been more aware of what it takes to take care of birds. Charlie loved millet so that’s all they gave him. You can just imagine the damage his liver was in by the time I got him. He was still the sweetest thing. If he was fighting with your finger or his reflection in the mirror, he would say "Hi Charlie. Whatcha doing?". I planted a star fruit tree in the front yard in his memory. >Do you think the petshop will hold him for you, if you ask?
I’m not sure, but I plan to call and ask. I’ll keep you posted on what they say. 
Brooke
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Well, I called the bird store yesterday and found out they sold the little one-legged budgie. Hopefully he went to a good home. Thanks anyway for everyone’s input and info. Brooke
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> Well, I called the bird store yesterday and found out they sold the little > one-legged budgie. Hopefully he went to a good home. Thanks anyway for > everyone’s input and info. > Brooke
Brooke: I have no doubt he went to a good home. He was a "special-needs" bird who would require extra love and attention. I’m sure his new owners were willing and able to give that to him to help him live comfortably with his handicap. Happy ending . . . — Linda
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>As far as the one leg goes, birds (like other animals) can adjust very >well to handicaps. I believe Deb ("Camry") has a budgie that is missing >one leg. Maybe she can give you more feedback
Yes, we do have a budgie (Buddy) that had to have her right foot amputated last year after she was involved in a nightfright with 4 others. She eventually lost most of her right wing, so she is no longer able to fly. But, it is truly amazing how she gets around in her cage. We put her in a cage by herself after she got hurt. Please let me know if you have any questions about this. I’ll do my best to answer them. Deb
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Linda, > I’ve had three budgies. Barney and Taffy had to be put to sleep before they > were 6 months old because they had polyoma, and Charlie (about 13yrs old) > died > this past March from a liver disease he got from his 1st owner (I was his 4th > home and got him when he was about 11yrs old). I promised myself I wouldn’t > get another budgie after Charlie. It’s too hard. I still miss the little > guy. > But when I saw this (IMO) unwanted little guy, I just couldn’t look the > other > way. I didn’t get him yet because they were closing but I have a feeling > that > he will still be there when I am able to go back in July. I’ve never had an > English budgie or a crippled bird, but there’s a first for everything. > Brooke
Brooke: To me, budgies are just the nicest little pets you can possibly hope for. I love all my birds, but Toby and Rocket have a special place in my heart. I understand what you mean by "unwanted". Knowing the way I am, I would have bought the one-legged budgie in a heartbeat … but that’s just me. <sigh> There’s something about less-than-perfect animals that pull at my heartstrings or pets that get bounced from one home to another. Do you think the petshop will hold him for you, if you ask? BTW, I’m sorry you lost Barney andTaffy so young … how devastating for you …. poor little guys. I’m glad you had the opportunity to own Charlie, even though he came to you at an advanced age. After three homes, it’s wonderful to know that *your* home was his last …. and, of course, his happiest home. — Linda
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Linda, I’ve had three budgies. Barney and Taffy had to be put to sleep before they were 6 months old because they had polyoma, and Charlie (about 13yrs old) died this past March from a liver disease he got from his 1st owner (I was his 4th home and got him when he was about 11yrs old). I promised myself I wouldn’t get another budgie after Charlie. It’s too hard. I still miss the little guy. But when I saw this (IMO) unwanted little guy, I just couldn’t look the other way. I didn’t get him yet because they were closing but I have a feeling that he will still be there when I am able to go back in July. I’ve never had an English budgie or a crippled bird, but there’s a first for everything. Brooke
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Brooke: Where I live, English budgies are not that readily available. One of the bigger and nicer pet stores around here (they have great birds!) get them only once in a while. They go for $100 …. handraised babies. Most people won’t pay that much for a budgie, especially when they see the normals going for $15 to 25. But the English budgies have quite a different personality from the regular guys … a little more laid back and dozy looking a lot of the time! As far as the one leg goes, birds (like other animals) can adjust very well to handicaps. I believe Deb ("Camry") has a budgie that is missing one leg. Maybe she can give you more feedback. The only thing with a bird like this is having to adjust the perches, toys and food cups so that they’re easier to reach. I’ve heard of owners building little platforms for their handicapped birds so that they can rest more securely. Hope this helps. If you decide to get the English budgie, I’m sure you won’t regret it. I have two budgies, one of which is an English, and Rocket’s a real character. — Linda – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Well, I went back to the bird shop. They sold the lutino sun conure > (probably > good since I would be in *big* birdy trouble with Fred and Cinder). I did > find > out what they considered a lutino sun conure is though. The girl said it was > a > sun conure that was mostly yellow when it gets its adult feathers. When > Cinder > was a baby she had a lot of orange on her and not much green, but isn’t there > always a chance that the green feather will molt into orange and not yellow? > Also, they have an English budgie for $50. Is this a good price considering > he > only has one leg? The budgie used to belong to a worker at the bird shop. I > didn’t have time to find out why they were giving him up or find out if he > was > friendly since they were closing. Is it a lot of work to take care of a > one-legged budgie? If he’s still there when I go back in July and if he > takes > to me, I’ve decided to get him. Any info would be helpful. > Thanks, > Brooke
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Well, I went back to the bird shop. They sold the lutino sun conure (probably good since I would be in *big* birdy trouble with Fred and Cinder). I did find out what they considered a lutino sun conure is though. The girl said it was a sun conure that was mostly yellow when it gets its adult feathers. When Cinder was a baby she had a lot of orange on her and not much green, but isn’t there always a chance that the green feather will molt into orange and not yellow? Also, they have an English budgie for $50. Is this a good price considering he only has one leg? The budgie used to belong to a worker at the bird shop. I didn’t have time to find out why they were giving him up or find out if he was friendly since they were closing. Is it a lot of work to take care of a one-legged budgie? If he’s still there when I go back in July and if he takes to me, I’ve decided to get him. Any info would be helpful. Thanks, Brooke
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$50 for an english budgie?!!!! I sell mine for